Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

Reindl Harald h.reindl at
Sun Jun 17 23:38:24 UTC 2012

Am 18.06.2012 01:09, schrieb drago01:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Benny Amorsen <benny+usenet at> wrote:
>> Richard Hughes <hughsient at> writes:
>>> It takes me 4 seconds to POST, boot the kernel, get into
>>> system-update.service, and then reboot. Using a new rpm version,
>>> applying several dozen test updates takes another 20 seconds.
>> Your hardware is too cheap. BIOS boot time is proportional to price when
>> the hardware was introduced.
>> More generally, the fact that your hardware happens to boot fast does
>> not mean that extra reboots are not a problem.
> If boot time is your concern we can make it (after BIOS) way faster by
> simply not enable lots of stuff that sits there
> unused after boot.

that is not the point because every admin is dong this all the time

the point is that it was perfectly possible in 2005 to make a fedora
dist-upgrade at friday night while http, netatalk or samba was
fully up and running until saturday sometimes at evening where
you rebootet the machine and now EIGHT years later we discuss about
making updates at reboot/offline like windows?

something must have gone terrible wrong in the meantime

if this is what you call "development" then YES we should
stop development now until we have ideas for real
improvements instead wasting time by making steps backward

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