Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

Adam Williamson awilliam at
Tue Jun 19 04:45:13 UTC 2012

On Mon, 2012-06-18 at 16:32 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:

> if things are working fine they do not need to be reinvented
> and developed forever - the problem i see the last years is
> that way to often are wroking things replaced because people
> can not life with the fact that things sometimes are finished
> and good as they are

One trigger for the current proposal was the discovery, quite late in
F17 cycle, that if you reboot while PK is automatically installing
security updates, you can entirely screw your system.

We shipped F16 with PackageKit set up, by default, to silently
automatically install security updates. If you leave this as it is, and
just use and reboot the system as normal, there is a small but not
insignificant chance that you will eventually wind up with a completely
broken system, when you happen to reboot just as PK is halfway through
updating glibc or something.

So no, things are clearly not good 'as they are'. One obvious 'fix' for
the above bug was not to automatically install security updates any
more, and that's the band-aid we used for F17, but obviously once you
come across that issue and start thinking in broader terms about how we
_ought_ to handle updates on the desktop, it's reasonable to wind up
thinking up the plan encapsulated by this feature.

I can't find the bug # for the above bug, unfortunately, but hughsie
probably has it handy.
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
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