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[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:31 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 03:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> If an manpower to cover anything else then critical path became a
> >> >concern we should fetch that manpower from the relevant SIG's community.
> >> >
> >> >Basically the plan was to reach out for example to the
> >> >Gnome/KDE/XFCE/LXDE/Sugar community's to ask for assistant to cover
> >> >their relevant part of required testing if that was the case.
> >> >
> >> >If you think about it who are better qualified and more willing to test
> >> >those components other then the people that are using it on daily bases...
> > This is fine in theory, but it doesn't hold up terribly well in
> > practice. Just about every time we roll a TC/RC, I mail the lists for
> > each desktop - GNOME, KDE, Xfce, LXDE, and Sugar - and ask for help in
> > filling out the validation matrix. We get help fairly often for GNOME
> > and KDE, and satellit_ usually covers Sugar, but we very rarely get
> > anything for Xfce or LXDE.
> 
> At which point you have to decide "If nobody is willing to test it, can 
> we really call it a blocker?" or you just block the whole release until 
> somebody comes along and tests it (usually yourself).
> 
> Ultimatums that require people to do work don't often fly here in Fedora 
> land.  Ultimatums that are arranged in "do this, or you lose that 
> status" tend to work better, because the failure case is easier to 
> handle.  They lose $status and life moves on.

Sure. My concern with the Xfce/LXDE case is that I'm sure it's worth
going through a 'declare them blockers and expecting testing to come
from the community, find that testing doesn't happen, declare them not
blockers any more' cycle if we're 95% sure that's what would happen. I'd
be happier either just committing QA to finding the time to test them if
necessary, or not making them blockers at all.
-- 
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