default media size [Was: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo]

Orcan Ogetbil oget.fedora at
Fri May 11 00:15:26 UTC 2012

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 16:07 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>> > > I know I've said this before, but: we should break the CD size
>> > > barrier
>> > > precisely so people can't burn things to CDs.  If you must burn
>> > > to
>> > > optical media, do yourself a favor and burn a DVD, the reduced
>> > > seek
>> > > time
>> > > is entirely worth it.
>> >
>> > I'd like to break CD limit too but we should not forgot there are
>> > users
>> > for which CD is top technology from dreams and we have a lot of
>> > these
>> > users among some countries... For me personally CD is history, even
>> > DVD, same 1 GB flash drive. We can afford it. But some people can't
>> > and are our users thanks to the ability to get a cheap OS, that can
>> > run on cheap HW and is still modern.
>> >
>> > The question is - how many people will be affected? Or should we
>> > provide some fallback option - stripped down CD media size image?
>> > And
>> > make the bigger one primary one?
>> Even if all of your objections are true, and who knows, they might
>> be:
>> we already do provide alternatives.  The Live media is not the only
>> install media.
> Yep, it's not the only way, we even have our bigger offering already.
> And yeah, let's break CD rule but first - let ask if it still apply
> or not. Maybe it's my imagination and 3rd world is not anymore
> interested in this :)
> For example to Africa, we even do not ship CDs but DVDs - so at least,
> most people have a DVD-ROM drive :) The reason is - network bandwidth
> and Installation DVD fits more packages...

An alternative would be to ship a live DVD, right? How hard is it to
create a live DVD? Why do we not leave the decision of choosing
between a live CD and a live DVD as the live image, to the spin
maintainers? Even better, (hypothetically) a spin can choose to have
both a live CD and a live DVD.


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