default media size [Was: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo]

[Adam Williamson]

On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 11:49 -0700, John Reiser wrote:
> On 05/12/2012 09:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00:48AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> > 
> >> So the set of people we'd be inconveniencing is exactly the set of
> >> people with no bandwidth and the inability to boot from anything larger
> >> than a CD.
> > 
> > Not only that - the people who have no bandwidth, the inability to boot 
> > from anything larger than a CD and no USB ports that can be bootstrapped 
> > from a bootloader sitting on a CD or floppy.
> > 
> > USB has been required by Microsoft's logo program since 1999 and was 
> > effectively ubiquitous on Pentium 2 before that, so the set of hardware 
> > we're ruling out is at least 13 years old and more realistically 
> > probably 15. We've already dropped support for x86 hardware that was in 
> > production more recently than that.
> 
> 
> Reality can differ from the press releases.  I have two running machines
> that contradict the conclusions above.  Instead of 13 or 15 years,
> such an effective cutoff would be closer to about 8 years.  I consider
> that to be uncomfortably young to be declared obsolete, especially
> when the declaration is issued at the end of a release cycle instead of
> at the beginning.
> 
> The most important issue in this thread is ability to boot from USB2.0.

No, it isn't. mjg59 wrote:

"the inability to boot from anything larger than a CD and no USB ports
that can be bootstrapped from a bootloader sitting on a CD or floppy."

So you're talking past each other. You are assuming that direct boot
from USB is the minimum. Matthew reckons bootstrapping from a CD or
floppy is fine.
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