[@core] working definition for the minimal package set

[Petr Lautrbach]

On 11/12/2012 06:10 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
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> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
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>> On 11/12/2012 06:03 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
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>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Tomas Mraz wrote:
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>>>> On Mon, 2012-11-12 at 11:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
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>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
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>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29:34AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
>>>>>>> I think ssh has to be in the mix. Of ths systems I use/maintain/etc
>>>>>>> very few of them are ones I actually have a reliable console to.
>>>>>>> If ssh isn't there, I have to add it just to get the system set up.
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>>>>>> Yeah: if we get to the point where every real install has to add the same
>>>>>> subset of packages to core, I don't think we've succeeded in doing
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>>>>>> except make more work for the whole world.
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>>>>>> A cron daemon and (at least basic) MTA fall in the same area, I think.
>>>>>> But what about ssh-clients?
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>>>>>> Is there a reasonable yardstick rule we can make, or is it pragmatically
>>>>>> best to just make per-package decisions?
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>>>>> so - imo
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>>>>> openssh-clients is required, yes - b/c w/o them scp doesn't work. :-/
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>>>> Perhaps scp could be moved to the base openssh package then.
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>>> Sounds reasonable to me.
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>> Not sure that's a good idea. "ssh" itself is also part of the clients
>> package and should probably moved as well then. "sftp" is probably popular
>> too. I think its better to bite the bullet and just include the clients
>> package as a whole.
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> i think you misunderstand.
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> if I am attempting to connect to a server running sshd:
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> ssh servername
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> and that works
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> I can run
> sftp servername
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> I cannot run
> scp servername
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> I have to have a local scp client installed on the server for scp to work as a service.
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scp is a ssh client. It connects to other host using a ssh connection and runs 'scp -t' or 'scp -f'
commands on the remote side. From my point of view, it's same as any other program you can use via
ssh and I believe that openssh-clients is the right place for it.

sftp subsystem is configured by default so you can use it if you need transfer files to minimal system.

Petr
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