replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

["Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"]

On 10/09/2012 11:53 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Because a huge change like replacing traditional logging with journald needs
> to happen as part of a process, not just because another core program adds
> similar-but-different functionality.

Nobody is talking about removing rsyslog or syslog-ng from the 
distribution just not installing it by default on minimal install.

To use all the enterprise features rsyslog and syslog-ng currently 
posses over the journal you will need to configure them to do so hence 
the Administrator can just as well install it afterwards by manually 
adding it to his ks file or by choosing it Anaconda or manually from the 
cli when he intends to configure it.

Do you honestly think it's a better default shipping two sysloggers and 
have them enabled by default for *all* Fedora user base ( embedded -- > 
servers --> desktop )  to waste everbody's hardware bandwith because 
administrators suddenly have forgotten how to install packages?

>
> Eventually, systemd will probably have some time-based scheduling
> functionality -- it's part of the original plan. We'll need to have the same
> discussion around cron.

see [1]

http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.timer.html

I personally want to see the documentation releng/fesco has about what 
the default minimal set, what the process is to have something 
include,excluded from it and why the packages that exist in it are there 
in the first place.

JBG