replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

Matthew Miller mattdm at
Tue Oct 9 14:45:24 UTC 2012

On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:04:05PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> args. It's much better than /var/log/messages:
[many nice things snipped; only responding to ones I have real concerns

> c) it auto-pages if run on a tty

Hmmm. That's not necessarily what people are expecting, but okay.

However, I notice that if I piped to less, lines are truncated. This is not
good. Worse, if I pipe to _grep_, lines are truncated. That's _really bad_.

I see there's an open bug for that:

> e) it shows you much more data, since its backend database is not
>    rotated prematurely by date, but only by disk space

Big-environment people are going to want flexible control over this, as I'm
sure you know. In my former job, log rotation time was set by a
university-wide data retention policy, which was based on time, not an
arbitrary space-free measure. (Note this covers both keeping data long
enough, and making sure that it isn't retained for too long.)

I can file an RFE bug if that's helpful.

> i) You always see the full set of logs you have access to. No need
>    anymore to to look through /var/log/messages, /var/log/secure and so
>    on one individually. And you get all of this nicely interleaved.

As noted in an earlier message, that distinction is there for a reason. We
need a way to provide the same in the new system.

Matthew Miller  ☁☁☁  Fedora Cloud Architect  ☁☁☁  <mattdm at>

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