replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

Richard Marko rmarko at
Tue Oct 9 15:24:42 UTC 2012

On 10/09/2012 05:00 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:45:24AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>> c) it auto-pages if run on a tty
>> Hmmm. That's not necessarily what people are expecting, but okay.
> To expand on this: there is a general expectation that non-interactive
> console tools will return control to the user immediately. Auto-paging is a
> different user-experience that doesn't necessarily dovetail with the Linux
> lineage. UI and UX aren't _just_ for GUI programs, after all. If we want to
> sell journalctl (and systemd in general) as a step forward for sysadmins, we
> need to take the sysadmin user commmunity's UI expectations seriously.
> Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because
> hey, sysadmins can learn new ways!), but I wanted to elaborate on where this
> is coming from.

+1. For example swapping action and name parameters for systemctl
compared to service calls is just annoying.

Richard Marko

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