replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

Reindl Harald h.reindl at
Tue Oct 9 19:29:18 UTC 2012

Am 09.10.2012 19:19, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 15:19, Tom Hughes (tom at wrote:
>> On 09/10/12 15:04, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>>> h) It's much shorter to type: "journalctl" than "less
>>>    /var/log/messages". "journalctl -n" is shorter than "tail
>>>    /var/log/messages". And "journalctl -f" is shorter than "tail -f
>>>    /var/log/messages".
>> While "less" helpfully wraps your log lines at the edge of your
>> terminal journalctl unhelpfully truncates them or, if -a is used,
>> makes you use left/right cursor to scroll back and forth in an
>> attempt to read the lines. Especially since it fully qualifies the
>> host name so the actual message has barely got started by column 80.
> On f18 we will not trucnate lines we pass to less.
> If you don't like the behaviour of less in regards of long lines, please
> file a bug to less.

why is "less" used at all instead of "more" which
supports scrolling down AND up as example?

for me it is STIL a bad idea paging as default
and force users to set shell-aliases

the unix-way to go is "whaterver | more"

truncating and paging as default is really bad behavior

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