replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

[Dan Williams]

On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 21:29 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> Am 09.10.2012 19:19, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 15:19, Tom Hughes (tom at compton.nu) wrote:
> > 
> >> On 09/10/12 15:04, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >>
> >>> h) It's much shorter to type: "journalctl" than "less
> >>>    /var/log/messages". "journalctl -n" is shorter than "tail
> >>>    /var/log/messages". And "journalctl -f" is shorter than "tail -f
> >>>    /var/log/messages".
> >>
> >> While "less" helpfully wraps your log lines at the edge of your
> >> terminal journalctl unhelpfully truncates them or, if -a is used,
> >> makes you use left/right cursor to scroll back and forth in an
> >> attempt to read the lines. Especially since it fully qualifies the
> >> host name so the actual message has barely got started by column 80.
> > 
> > On f18 we will not trucnate lines we pass to less.
> > 
> > If you don't like the behaviour of less in regards of long lines, please
> > file a bug to less.
> 
> why is "less" used at all instead of "more" which
> supports scrolling down AND up as example?

I think you have less and more reversed?

Dan

> for me it is STIL a bad idea paging as default
> and force users to set shell-aliases
> 
> the unix-way to go is "whaterver | more"
> 
> truncating and paging as default is really bad behavior
>