replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

Stephen John Smoogen smooge at
Tue Oct 9 21:57:26 UTC 2012

On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller <mattdm at> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then
>> > use something else, not the journal. The journal is supposed to be
>> > robust and do the right thing so that you can leave it unnatteneded and
>> > whatever happens it didn't spill the disk or become unavailable. It's
>> > supposed to be "zero maintainance".
>> So in those cases rsyslog would be required, but would be seen as a
>> post-install step.
>> EG what you are looking at is building a GNOME-OS and for those sorts
>> of tablets, etc the journal is right for that. The other cases like at
>> a Hospital, trading firm or various .gov.XX then having rsyslog
>> installed with audit post would be the way to get the needed features.
> If so, this seems unfortunate, because the other features discussed (e.g.,
> trustable metadata) would be very welcome in these environments. Can't the
> enterprise have nice things?

Sorry I didn't mean to make that either/or. The enterprise gets the
journald but does not get to keep its contents unless there is a
program that sends it to say rsyslog.

Stephen J Smoogen.
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