replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

Dan Williams dcbw at
Tue Oct 9 23:11:16 UTC 2012

On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:41 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 9 October 2012 15:24, Lennart Poettering <mzerqung at> wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (simo at wrote:
> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then
> > use something else, not the journal. The journal is supposed to be
> > robust and do the right thing so that you can leave it unnatteneded and
> > whatever happens it didn't spill the disk or become unavailable. It's
> > supposed to be "zero maintainance".
> So in those cases rsyslog would be required, but would be seen as a
> post-install step.
> EG what you are looking at is building a GNOME-OS and for those sorts
> of tablets, etc the journal is right for that. The other cases like at
> a Hospital, trading firm or various .gov.XX then having rsyslog
> installed with audit post would be the way to get the needed features.

That's a completely manufactured fake dichotomy.  So either we're
building an OS for tablets, or we're building an OS for Goldman Sachs?
And nothing in between?  Come on...


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