replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

Dan Williams dcbw at
Tue Oct 9 23:18:50 UTC 2012

On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller <mattdm at> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> >> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then
> >> > use something else, not the journal. The journal is supposed to be
> >> > robust and do the right thing so that you can leave it unnatteneded and
> >> > whatever happens it didn't spill the disk or become unavailable. It's
> >> > supposed to be "zero maintainance".
> >>
> >> So in those cases rsyslog would be required, but would be seen as a
> >> post-install step.
> >>
> >> EG what you are looking at is building a GNOME-OS and for those sorts
> >> of tablets, etc the journal is right for that. The other cases like at
> >> a Hospital, trading firm or various .gov.XX then having rsyslog
> >> installed with audit post would be the way to get the needed features.
> >
> > If so, this seems unfortunate, because the other features discussed (e.g.,
> > trustable metadata) would be very welcome in these environments. Can't the
> > enterprise have nice things?
> Sorry I didn't mean to make that either/or. The enterprise gets the
> journald but does not get to keep its contents unless there is a
> program that sends it to say rsyslog.

Ah; I think what you meant to say is:

"*IF* what you are looking at..."

but I'd suggest instead:

"If you have strict requirements on time-based logging rotation or
certain audit requirements, then something like rsyslog(?) is required
in parallel with the journal.  In most other cases (desktops, tablets,
many servers) the journal is sufficient."



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