replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

Miloslav Trma─Ź mitr at
Wed Oct 10 15:05:58 UTC 2012

I apologize, I'm ill and not generally up to providing detailed
responses.  So just some sourced facts to counter [1] untruths.

For education on what current syslogs do,
is a possible start and
contains much more.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Lennart Poettering
<mzerqung at> wrote:
> I am not generally against adding time-based rotation, but really, this
> is much less of a "necessity" than other things the journal provides,
> which syslog does not: for example per-service rate limits,

False., "There is input rate
limiting available", currently enabled by default in Fedora.

> and
> unfakable meta-data for log messages.

False:, "trusted syslog
properties are available" (and in v7 they can be enabled in the Fedora
configuration by default)

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Lennart Poettering
<mzerqung at> wrote:
> I am not a security guy, but having
> logs where unprivileged users cannot insert undetectable fakes
(Re: the implied claim that systemd provides that):

For the "unprivileged user" part, see above.

For the cryptographic protection, false.
defaults to 15 minutes, which is an eternity.

[1] An adjective belongs here.  I can think of about 10 candidates,
but I feel too ill and grumpy to trust myself to choose well.

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