Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

Jaroslav Reznik jreznik at
Wed Oct 31 15:19:54 UTC 2012

----- Original Message -----
> Adam Williamson <awilliam at> writes:
> > ... Practically speaking, for F18,
> > though, I think we just need to soldier on with newUI and get it
> > done as
> > best we can. Obviously slipping the schedule by a week again and
> > again
> > in response to the latest fire isn't the best way to do things, but
> > stepping back and taking a wider view, a release that's a month or
> > two
> > behind but with a reasonably solid new anaconda wouldn't be a
> > disaster.
> My concern at this point is exactly that we're "slipping a week at a
> time", rather than facing up to the *undeniable fact* that anaconda
> is
> not close to being shippable.  If we don't have a workable
> contingency
> plan, I think the best thing to do would be to start slipping a month
> at
> a time.  And drop the beta-freeze restrictions, until we reach a
> point
> where anaconda actually is beta quality.  Other people have work they
> could usefully be getting done, except that they have to jump through
> these beta-freeze hoops --- which not incidentally are slowing down
> anaconda work too.  

That's actually what we did - we slipped *before* freezing for two weeks
and Beta was frozen as late as possible when we saw possibility of 
having fedup tool ready and we thought we are close to all blocker 
bugs solved. That's really the time when freeze makes sense to stabilize
the beast we want to release.

And a lot of goods stuff was done in Fedora 18 for Beta when it was
still possible to contribute, finish features etc.


> It's insane that we are wasting time debating
> whether anaconda bugs are release blockers or beta blockers or only
> NTH,
> when any honest evaluation would recognize that the whole thing
> hasn't
> reached alpha quality yet, and *all* those bugs had better get fixed
> if
> we don't want F18 to permanently damage the reputation of Fedora.
> You can slip a month (or two) honestly, or you can fritter it away a
> week at a time, and ensure that as much of that time is unproductive
> as
> possible.  There is not a third option.  (Brooks'
> _Mythical_Man-Month_
> has useful things to say about this sort of scheduling trap ---
> anybody
> who hasn't read it should.)
> 			regards, tom lane
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