Rawhide boot problems

Lennart Poettering mzerqung at 0pointer.de
Mon Sep 10 22:22:23 UTC 2012

On Mon, 10.09.12 15:14, Adam Williamson (awilliam at redhat.com) wrote:

> On 2012-09-10 15:03, Kalev Lember wrote:
> >
> >The hard reality is that branched and rawhide are getting pretty much
> >the same set of packages currently. It's a very nice view to let
> >development go ahead in rawhide, and to stabilize branched. But we
> >only
> >have so many developers and everyone is focusing on branched, leaving
> >rawhide broken.
> I don't think that's true, actually. There certainly are devs who
> take advantage of the model. Lennart wrote that 'everyone' has to
> for it to be valuable, but that isn't true at all.
> I can recall at least two notifications to the list about updates to
> major libraries happening in Rawhide that aren't happening in F18.
> One of them is boost: it's up a whole major version in Rawhide
> compared to F18. That's exactly how the policy is supposed to work.
> I forget exactly what the other was, but I know there was at least
> one more.
> Another example from today - the Postgresql maintainer mailed the
> list to say that now F18 is delayed he'll be putting the new version
> in F18, but until then, he was planning to have the newer version in
> Rawhide only - again, exactly how the policy is supposed to work.
> Those are just examples from memory, not even looking through the
> archives.

What I am proposing is to get rid of the "master" branch, so that people
can just branch off F-19 as early and as late as they want, and they do
it from F-18 on their own. The mass branching would go away this way,
(might only be a side-effect of distro-wide rebuilds).

This way, Lennart would just maintain systemd in the F-18 branch. And
then in a month or two he would branch F-19 off this branch. And then
when he is ready to open F-20 he would branch it off F-19. And so
on. But the time where Lennart decides to branch off is up to him.

In your example above the boost maintainer otoh could branch off F-19
much earlier than Lennart branches off systemd. Both packagers would
have full flexibility when to branch off.

This would give packagers much more flexibility about branching and
would also simplify our model as the master branch would just go
away... One branch less that can be confused is a win for


Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc.

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