F20 release name election

[Matt Eskes]

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FINALLY! there was someone who hated release names as much, if not
more than I. I say we forgo a release name on f20, as well.

M

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> 1. Re: F20 release name election? (Dan Mashal) 2. Re: F21 schedule:
> what would you do with more time? (Chris Murphy) 3. Re: F20 release
> name election? (Josh Boyer) 4. Re: F19 server install experience
> (Chris Murphy) 5. Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more
> time? (Adam Williamson) 6. Re: F20 release name election? (Chris
> Murphy) 7. Re: F19 server install experience (Adam Williamson) 8.
> Re: F19 server install experience (Chris Murphy) 9. Re: F20 release
> name election? (Dan Mashal) 10. Re: Bundled Flash (Adam
> Williamson) 11. Re: F19 server install experience (Adam
> Williamson) 12. Re: F20 release name election? (Billy Crook) 13.
> Re: F20 release name election? (Chris Murphy) 14. Re: F20 release
> name election? (Paul Wouters)
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>  Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:05:57 -0700 From: Dan Mashal
> <dan.mashal at gmail.com> To: Development discussions related to
> Fedora <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F20 release
> name election? Message-ID: 
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> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy
> <lists at colorremedies.com> wrote:
>> *smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options
>> also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over "20".
>> 
>> Heck I like "Crazy Train" based on a recent Matthew Miller
>> assertion.
>> 
>> Assuming there can be no late add ins though, the overwhelmingly
>> obvious correct answer is Heisenbug. I attract more Heisenbugs
>> than anyone I know. It's funny. It's true, they totally exist.
>> And (sorry!) all the other options are snoozers. Now, had it been
>> "Santa's reindeer" that might have made it a *little* less
>> obvious, what the correct answer is.
> 
> 
> How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I
> love release names, and while I didn't know Seth very well
> personally, probably the main reason I use Fedora/RHEL/CentOS is
> because of yum. He deserves the honor in my opinion. The choices up
> there are lame.
> 
> If i I had to choose I guess I'd vote for Santa Claus but this is
> ridiculous.
> 
> With all due respect can someone please explain to me how this
> release is "dedicated" to Mr. Vidal?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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> Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:11:16 -0600 From: Chris Murphy
> <lists at colorremedies.com> To: Development discussions related to
> Fedora <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F21 schedule:
> what would you do with more time? Message-ID:
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> On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam at redhat.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent
>> iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting the
>> time we have to work on anything else. We can only really get
>> substantive work done on 'things that are not release validation'
>> in the ~two months (on a regular cycle) between FNN Go and FNN+1
>> Alpha TC1.
> 
> 
> I'm going to take a wild guess here, QA could probably use a month
> of going into a black hole for starters, as in, en vacaciones, no
> me contacte. So in reality, that probably translates into maybe a
> four day weekend. But how much time do you think QA needs for
> "things other than release validation"? So far the push back range
> is a wee bit broad, 2 weeks to six months.
> 
> If it needs to be six months, fine. But there's also a risk of
> losing a lot of momentum with a six month hiatus. That's why I
> arbitrarily came up with 3 months on the high end. There are still
> positives to the Fedora pressure cooker (ANOTHER RELEASE NAME
> IDEA!), a.k.a. crazy train.
> 
> 
> Chris Murphy
> 
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> Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:12:10 -0400 From: Josh Boyer
> <jwboyer at fedoraproject.org> To: Development discussions related to
> Fedora <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F20 release
> name election? Message-ID: 
> <CA+5PVA4dSTdHXx0+VLiTxagYkb6LK_dcocMpSXu3bHa_W3OdFA at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy
>> <lists at colorremedies.com> wrote:
>>> *smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options
>>> also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over "20".
>>> 
>>> Heck I like "Crazy Train" based on a recent Matthew Miller
>>> assertion.
>>> 
>>> Assuming there can be no late add ins though, the
>>> overwhelmingly obvious correct answer is Heisenbug. I attract
>>> more Heisenbugs than anyone I know. It's funny. It's true, they
>>> totally exist. And (sorry!) all the other options are snoozers.
>>> Now, had it been "Santa's reindeer" that might have made it a
>>> *little* less obvious, what the correct answer is.
>> 
>> 
>> How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I
>> love release names, and while I didn't know Seth very well
>> personally, probably the main reason I use Fedora/RHEL/CentOS is
>> because of yum. He deserves the honor in my opinion. The choices
>> up there are lame.
> 
> The choices are what the community came up with.  At this point,
> that is what we have to chose from.
> 
>> If i I had to choose I guess I'd vote for Santa Claus but this is
>> ridiculous.
> 
> I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but there are essentially two
> camps right now.  Those that don't care about release names one bit
> (like me), and those that do.  If those that do care want better
> names, they'll need to work harder at creating meaningful
> suggestions.
> 
> The Board has an open ticket on the naming process.  We're working 
> through it now, but "no release names" isn't an immediate option 
> because the last time we proposed that the community vote showed
> names were still desired.  Hopefully we'll resolve the ticket
> shortly and explain how naming needs to work in the future.
> 
>> With all due respect can someone please explain to me how this
>> release is "dedicated" to Mr. Vidal?
> 
> It will be dedicated in the release announcement.  Perhaps someone 
> might add something to the download page on the website as well.
> 
> josh
> 
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> Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:16:43 -0600 From: Chris Murphy
> <lists at colorremedies.com> To: Development discussions related to
> Fedora <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F19 server
> install experience Message-ID:
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> 
> On Aug 22, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam at redhat.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 11:57 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>> On 08/17/2013 12:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I've seen that kind of thing in some of my tests. A lot of
>> my live installs wind up with New York as the timezone, IIRC.
> 
> I'm spacing out which has which behavior, but Live vs Netinst
> consistently produce different results for me for geoip/timezone
> selection. One always works (Denver), the other never works (New
> York). Always the same IP.
> 
> 
>>> 
>>>>> One odd thing I noticed while cycling through the consoles
>>>>> was that console 6 had a login prompt on it.  I didn't
>>>>> actually try logging in.
>>>>> 
>>> Any thoughts on this one?  It was rather surprising to find a
>>> login prompt during the installing process.
>> 
>> IIRC it's been there for a while, I'm not entirely sure of its
>> purpose. More a question for anaconda team I think.
> 
> Oh I use that all the time for top, or taring and scping anaconda
> logs from tmp.
> 
> 
> Chris Murphy
> 
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> Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:22:49 -0700 From: Adam
> Williamson <awilliam at redhat.com> To: Development discussions
> related to Fedora <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: F21
> schedule: what would you do with more time? Message-ID:
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> On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson
>> <awilliam at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent
>>> iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting
>>> the time we have to work on anything else. We can only really
>>> get substantive work done on 'things that are not release
>>> validation' in the ~two months (on a regular cycle) between FNN
>>> Go and FNN+1 Alpha TC1.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm going to take a wild guess here, QA could probably use a
>> month of going into a black hole for starters, as in, en
>> vacaciones, no me contacte. So in reality, that probably
>> translates into maybe a four day weekend. But how much time do
>> you think QA needs for "things other than release validation"? So
>> far the push back range is a wee bit broad, 2 weeks to six
>> months.
>> 
>> If it needs to be six months, fine. But there's also a risk of
>> losing a lot of momentum with a six month hiatus. That's why I
>> arbitrarily came up with 3 months on the high end. There are
>> still positives to the Fedora pressure cooker (ANOTHER RELEASE
>> NAME IDEA!), a.k.a. crazy train.
> 
> The more time we have, the more stuff we can do. We have a list of 
> things we'd like to have that could fill a couple of years of work
> easy, most likely.
> 
> I was thinking three months was not arbitrary, but 'the right
> amount of time to get back into sync with GNOME', which was one of
> the aims of our six month cycle prior to F18. If we're going to do
> a 'hiatus', it would seem sensible to use it to get back into a
> cycle which works nicely with the GNOME dev cycle. (No, I am not
> going to use the word 'cadence' at any point in this mail. Damni-)
> 
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