Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

[Jef Spaleta]

I'm not sure there's any place in our community where it is acceptable
for people "to go to fight." Nor do I think that would be healthy.
I would prefer to think that noone in our community really wants to
hurt anyone else.  I think if anyone showed up at any face-to-face
meeting specifically with the intent "to fight" or to "hurt someone"
they would feel intimidated and would modify their behavior
accordingly.

So I really don't understand why FOSDEM as a collection of individuals
at a face-to-face meeting. would be any different than another
face-to-face meeting.

But I will say that I would prefer it if our written communication
channels were similarly less tolerant of individuals who show up
primarily "to fight" or are intent on "hurting someone."  Text
communication channels, are inherently prone to a loss of civility,
and by collectively condoning behavior we'd otherwise find
uncomfortable in a face to face setting we hasten the debasement of
the level of discourse therein.

-jef

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Nicolas Mailhot
<nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net> wrote:
>
> Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit :
>> On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
>>> I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original
>>> statement, namely that there is a "completely different target
>>> audience" for GNOME 2 vs GNOME 3.
>>>
>>> I am that datapoint.
>>
>> As are various others during FOSDEM (Vincent Untz asked people to raise
>> their hands). No idea how representative that it.
>
> The FOSDEM poll was stacked — no one really wanted to hurt Vincent Untz
> too much given his obvious efforts to be nice, there was this knot of
> GNOME people bunched together that were a tad intimidating, and people do
> not go to FOSDEM to fight. What is telling however is the complete refusal
> of the audience to put systemd and Gnome 3 in the same bucket. Lennart's
> efforts to explain his project, understand sysadmin needs, provide a
> smooth transition and keep current usages working clearly paid off there.
>
> So don't overplay the GNOME 3 FOSDEM session, it was an awkward moment for
> everyone involved (and certainly not representative of the positive energy
> that permeated other presentations).
>
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