Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

[kaperang07 at gmail.com]

> On Fri, 25.01.13 08:58, Simo Sorce (simo at redhat.com) wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 05:42 +0000, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:46:24PM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > > 
> > > > We are all grown up enough to decide for our own, just give the
> > > > information and let the admin take care of that.
> > > 
> > > Well, that's the problem. Most of our users (including many of the 
> > > professional sysadmins) are *not* able to make a fully informed choice 
> > > about whether an online upgrade will ensure that they're no longer 
> > > running any code with known security issues. That's not a criticism of 
> > > them - it's just a much harder problem than almost everyone realises.
> > > 
> > > Nobody's suggesting making it impossible to use yum, but blessing it as 
> > > a first-class distribution upgrade mechanism is a bad idea. There's far 
> > > too many corner cases, and we can't justify the effort it'd take to fix 
> > > all of them.
> > 
> > Nonsense, for a distribution upgrade you just recommend the admin to
> > reboot the system when done.
> > Everybody expects to reboot after a big distro-sync anyway as there is a
> > new kernel and basically new-everything.
> 
> Ah, so you have to reboot anyway, so where is the difference between
> your approach and proper offline updates then? Either way you have to
> interrupt your work to reboot the machine. One just takes a slight bit
> longer for rebooting...
> 
> Lennart
> 
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