Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

[Dan Mashal]

On Sunday, January 27, 2013, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

> I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both
> Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them
> as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode.
>
> When you come right down to it, nearly all Linux desktops can be
> easily customized to provide a Windows-like workflow (menu at lower
> left, panel at bottom) or a Mac-like workflow (menu at upper left,
> panel at top). All the major Linux desktops can do this. I've even
> done this with OpenBox and fbpanel.
>
> Personally I think the "Default Linux desktop" ought to *be* OpenBox
> and fbpanel - it would get the media sizes and RAM use back down to
> something sane. ;-) I spend most of my time in either the browser, a
> terminal or a GUI application like RStudio, LibreOffice or GIMP.
> That's all a Linux desktop needs, really - a browser, a terminal app
> and a menu/panel/taskbar/tray/clock/wifi/sound/weather app gizmo.
>
> You *do* need a good terminal app - I'd pick gnome-terminal over
> konsole or lxterminal or the XFCE terminal if I had a choice but I
> could live with any of them. Xterm is even acceptable if you have a
> 3-button mouse. ;-) But other than that, an awful lot of the
> "innovation" in Linux desktops seems to me to be wasted effort.
>
> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik at redhat.com>
> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think Cinnamon as default desktop. Fedora always was of GNOME
> >> by default Desktop. However, I have to choose, I would choose KDE as
> >> default desktop.
> >
> > From the times Kevin proposed Plasma as default desktop - and the rest
> > of KDE SIG did not support it - it's mainly about resources. And not
> > only packaging ones, also development (to make sure desktop works on
> > top of our base system layer - and you know, Fedora is often first)
> > but documentation (yeah, someone has to write documentation), artwork
> > and all other teams I forgot to mention (sorry ;-).
> >
> > Btw. Board is trying to find the way how to avoid that strict
> > "something is default" - do you know based on this definition Compiz
> > should be part of our default offering [1]?
> >
> > And the last thing - GNOME is coming with so called "classic" UI -
> > see GNOME 3.8 feature page (I announced a few minutes ago) [2].
> >
> > "Fallback mode is going away in 3.8. Instead, there will be a set of
> > supported extensions that is grouped together in a 'classic' mode,
> > which provides a more GNOME 2-like user experience"
> >
> > Same tries Cinnamon but as a fork. Make your own conclusion ;-)
> >
> > Jaroslav
> >
> > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Default_offering
> > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3.8
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik < jreznik at redhat.com
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop =
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop
> >>
> >> Feature owner(s): Eric Smith < eric at brouhaha.com >
> >>
> >> This feature proposes that Fedora switch the default desktop
> >> interface from
> >> Gnome 3 to Cinnamon. Cinnamon provides a desktop interface that is
> >> more
> >> familiar to Windows and Gnome 2 users than the standard Gnome Shell
> >> interface,
> >> while being built from Gnome 3 components.
> >>
> >> == Detailed description ==
> >> The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the traditional
> >> desktop
> >> interfaces on both Linux and Windows. While it is good that there is
> >> research
> >> into new user interface concepts, many users prefer to have a
> >> traditional
> >> interface that they are accustomed to. Unfortunately it is difficult
> >> or
> >> impossible to assess what fraction of the user base prefers Gnome
> >> Shell vs. a
> >> more traditional interface. I'm not trying to start (or continue) a
> >> flame war
> >> here, so I won't state any of my own criticisms of Gnome Shell here,
> >> but I
> >> will observe that a number of very high profile people in the Linux
> >> community,
> >> such as Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox, have publicly announce that due
> >> to
> >> problems with Gnome Shell they are switching to a different desktop
> >> and/or
> >> Linux distribution.
> >>
> >> I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new
> >> Fedora
> >> install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the Gnome
> >> Shell if
> >> they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a
> >> traditional
> >> desktop.
> >>
> >> The Cinnamon desktop provides a traditional desktop while being based
> >> on the
> >> latest Gnome and GTK components, so it seems like a better candidate
> >> for a
> >> default desktop than MATE, which is based on older components.
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You don't see the point of MATE or Cinnamon? How long did you play with
them 5 minutes?

Dan
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