Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

[Olav Vitters]

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:13:34AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
> Let's see how lightweight, bug free and usable it is. Why don't you just
> merge the 3 projects instead of wasting your time? We could all work
> together.

MATE developers actually have GNOME git accounts now.

> There could be different "flavors" of Gnome. Now I know that we are both
> biased here, however what it really feels like here is REDHAT
> employees want Gnome 3 and they are giving a bunch of bullshit excuses on
> why it should be, referencing various stupid apple to orange comparisons
> from 10 years ago. Why don't we take a poll where no Red Hat employees can

"bullshit", "stupid"

> vote. Only non Red Hat Fedora employees and the board itself can make a
> final decision after considering what FESCO has to say about it. Face it.
> Fedora 15 Gnome 3 cause a major uproar. Anaconda on RHEL6 is easier to use
> than Anaconda 18. Almost 3 years later and "oh yeah we realized we should
> probably add a real "fallback" mode to Gnome 3. Meanwhile the main people

GNOME classic is not the same as a fallback mode.

> writing code are not the community.  Meanwhile MATE is lighter weight than
> Gnome 2.3, has numerous bug fixes, will have full support for
> systems/logind.. Something even Gnome 3 still has trouble with.

MATE did not have that much development, nor that many developers if you
compare it to the amount of work done between a GNOME 2.x release.

Could you reference the bugs that GNOME 3 has problems with systemd?
Because it works fine for me.

> Is it really that scary for you guys to think about something else besides
> Gnome 3 and KDE?
> 
> Not enough support? Then step up and quit whining. You know how to help,
> Red Hat employees. Don't be selfish. This is Fedora not RHEL. This is a
> community based distribution not Red Hats playground. Please feel free to
> correct me if I'm wrong.

I suggest you actually do some work instead of showing that you dislike
Red Hat employees.

> Everyone loves to dance around the fact about what Fedora is or isn't.
> 
> This isn't one persons decision and its not 2003.
> 
> Get with the times. Your projects failed. Sure a lot of people like it.
> Then again a lot of people don't. And we wonder why there are less people
> using Fedora.

You say "projects": which projects exactly?

> And then we wonder why MATE and Cinnamon got the most press coverage in
> Fedora 18 and why there has been a huge user spike in the last 30 days. It
> hasn't been because of systemd, Gnome 3.6, and Anaconda 18. You are on
> serious drugs if you believe that.

"serious drugs"

Quit with attacking people, then maybe people will actually listen. At
the moment you are very vague and unspecific (e.g. bug references, not
vague claims). The only think you make clear is that you're angry.

-- 
Regards,
Olav