Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

[Aleksandar Kurtakov]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Mashal" <dan.mashal at gmail.com>
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:13:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
> 
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> On Monday, January 28, 2013, Matthias Clasen wrote:
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> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop =
> 
> 
> > I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new
> > Fedora
> > install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the
> > Gnome
> > Shell if
> > they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a
> > traditional
> > desktop.
> > 
> > The Cinnamon desktop provides a traditional desktop while being
> > based
> > on the
> > latest Gnome and GTK components, so it seems like a better
> > candidate
> > for a
> > default desktop than MATE, which is based on older components.
> 
> Some facts:
> 
> - Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is not a
> full fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and
> bug-fixes are not going either way...
> 
> - GNOME 3.8 will replace the dismal fallback mode with a new
> 'classic' mode that is actually based on the latest GNOME
> components, and will be a more 'traditional desktop', whatever that
> means.
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> 
> Let's see how lightweight, bug free and usable it is. Why don't you
> just merge the 3 projects instead of wasting your time? We could all
> work together.
> 
> 
> There could be different "flavors" of Gnome. Now I know that we are
> both biased here, however what it really feels like here is REDHAT
> employees want Gnome 3 and they are giving a bunch of bullshit
> excuses on why it should be, referencing various stupid apple to
> orange comparisons from 10 years ago. Why don't we take a poll where
> no Red Hat employees can vote. 

Since when my work(hence vote) in Fedora is unwanted because I'm Red Hat employee?
I don't give a sh*t about what the default is but one should tell you - SHUT UP!!! And yes this is exactly what you were trying to tell me.
So please send your next message once you learned to deal with technical questions in a technical way or if you can't never would be better!!!

Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team


> Only non Red Hat Fedora employees and
> the board itself can make a final decision after considering what
> FESCO has to say about it. Face it. Fedora 15 Gnome 3 cause a major
> uproar. Anaconda on RHEL6 is easier to use than Anaconda 18. Almost
> 3 years later and "oh yeah we realized we should probably add a real
> "fallback" mode to Gnome 3. Meanwhile the main people writing code
> are not the community. Meanwhile MATE is lighter weight than Gnome
> 2.3, has numerous bug fixes, will have full support for
> systems/logind.. Something even Gnome 3 still has trouble with.
> 
> 
> Is it really that scary for you guys to think about something else
> besides Gnome 3 and KDE?
> 
> 
> Not enough support? Then step up and quit whining. You know how to
> help, Red Hat employees. Don't be selfish. This is Fedora not RHEL.
> This is a community based distribution not Red Hats playground.
> Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
> 
> 
> Everyone loves to dance around the fact about what Fedora is or
> isn't.
> 
> 
> This isn't one persons decision and its not 2003.
> 
> 
> Get with the times. Your projects failed. Sure a lot of people like
> it. Then again a lot of people don't. And we wonder why there are
> less people using Fedora.
> 
> 
> And then we wonder why MATE and Cinnamon got the most press coverage
> in Fedora 18 and why there has been a huge user spike in the last 30
> days. It hasn't been because of systemd, Gnome 3.6, and Anaconda 18.
> You are on serious drugs if you believe that.
> 
> 
> Dan
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