Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

Tue Jan 29 15:10:03 UTC 2013

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Ciesla" <limburgher at gmail.com>
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:58:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
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> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov <
> akurtako at redhat.com > wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Mashal" < dan.mashal at gmail.com >
> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <
> > devel at lists.fedoraproject.org >
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:13:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday, January 28, 2013, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop =
> > 
> > 
> > > I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new
> > > Fedora
> > > install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the
> > > Gnome
> > > Shell if
> > > they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a
> > > traditional
> > > desktop.
> > > 
> > > The Cinnamon desktop provides a traditional desktop while being
> > > based
> > > on the
> > > latest Gnome and GTK components, so it seems like a better
> > > candidate
> > > for a
> > > default desktop than MATE, which is based on older components.
> > 
> > Some facts:
> > 
> > - Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is not a
> > full fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and
> > bug-fixes are not going either way...
> > 
> > - GNOME 3.8 will replace the dismal fallback mode with a new
> > 'classic' mode that is actually based on the latest GNOME
> > components, and will be a more 'traditional desktop', whatever that
> > means.
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> > 
> > Let's see how lightweight, bug free and usable it is. Why don't you
> > just merge the 3 projects instead of wasting your time? We could
> > all
> > work together.
> > 
> > 
> > There could be different "flavors" of Gnome. Now I know that we are
> > both biased here, however what it really feels like here is REDHAT
> > employees want Gnome 3 and they are giving a bunch of bullshit
> > excuses on why it should be, referencing various stupid apple to
> > orange comparisons from 10 years ago. Why don't we take a poll
> > where
> > no Red Hat employees can vote.
> 
> Since when my work(hence vote) in Fedora is unwanted because I'm Red
> Hat employee?
> I don't give a sh*t about what the default is but one should tell you
> - SHUT UP!!! And yes this is exactly what you were trying to tell
> me.
> So please send your next message once you learned to deal with
> technical questions in a technical way or if you can't never would
> be better!!!
> 
> 
> 
> That's not helpful.

Nor I wanted it to be - Fight fire with fire! People that start personal attacks on fedora-devel list should be BANNED.

Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team

> 
> -J
> 
> 
> Alexander Kurtakov
> Red Hat Eclipse team
> 
> 
> > Only non Red Hat Fedora employees and
> > the board itself can make a final decision after considering what
> > FESCO has to say about it. Face it. Fedora 15 Gnome 3 cause a major
> > uproar. Anaconda on RHEL6 is easier to use than Anaconda 18. Almost
> > 3 years later and "oh yeah we realized we should probably add a
> > real
> > "fallback" mode to Gnome 3. Meanwhile the main people writing code
> > are not the community. Meanwhile MATE is lighter weight than Gnome
> > 2.3, has numerous bug fixes, will have full support for
> > systems/logind.. Something even Gnome 3 still has trouble with.
> > 
> > 
> > Is it really that scary for you guys to think about something else
> > besides Gnome 3 and KDE?
> > 
> > 
> > Not enough support? Then step up and quit whining. You know how to
> > help, Red Hat employees. Don't be selfish. This is Fedora not RHEL.
> > This is a community based distribution not Red Hats playground.
> > Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
> > 
> > 
> > Everyone loves to dance around the fact about what Fedora is or
> > isn't.
> > 
> > 
> > This isn't one persons decision and its not 2003.
> > 
> > 
> > Get with the times. Your projects failed. Sure a lot of people like
> > it. Then again a lot of people don't. And we wonder why there are
> > less people using Fedora.
> > 
> > 
> > And then we wonder why MATE and Cinnamon got the most press
> > coverage
> > in Fedora 18 and why there has been a huge user spike in the last
> > 30
> > days. It hasn't been because of systemd, Gnome 3.6, and Anaconda
> > 18.
> > You are on serious drugs if you believe that.
> > 
> > 
> > Dan
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