F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

[Dan Fruehauf]

+1 - same here. You're far from being alone.

I'm still trying to get used to the new systemd in Fedora and still trying
to think why I need it. Altogether for my day to day use I find it as added
complexity with no real benefit cerca f15.

Unix/Linux for me is the simplicity of text files. If I lose the simplicity
of text files I just wonder what is left for me? A bunch of vague files in
a binary format I need complex  tools to decipher? Might as well just
install win7 and utilize my gfx card.

Same happened to me when I moved from being a big fan of KDE to LXDE. Why
is that? KDE became just too heavy, too much **** I just didn't need. LXDE
just lets me open a terminal, a web browser, a music player and get my ****
done with.

A change like that is something probably the ubuntu community would like to
adopt. A change that would just give me yet another reason to not use
ubuntu. Linux is text files. It's grep, sed, bash, awk and all the other
amazing text manipulation utilities we have.

A change like that might actually make me move away from Fedora after being
loyal to it for as long as it existed. And I know I will not be alone.

Lets try to keep things simple. This is why we use Fedora. This is why I
use Fedora.



On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Miroslav Suchý <msuchy at redhat.com> wrote:

> On 07/15/2013 10:44 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>
>> = Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Syslog =
>> https://fedoraproject.org/**wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog>
>>
>> Change owner(s): Lennart Poettering <lennart at poettering net>, Matthew
>> Miller <mattdm at fedoraproject org>
>>
>> No longer install a traditional syslog service by default. (Specifically,
>> remove rsyslog from the @core or @standard groups in comps.)
>>
>> The systemd journal will be the default logging solution. Rsyslog,
>> Syslog-NG,
>> and even traditional sysklogd will continue to cover use cases outside of
>> the
>> default.
>>
>
> My voice may be one of thousands, but I'm saying: I want to have
> traditional syslog service as default and have journal from systemd as
> option.
>
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