F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

[Lennart Poettering]

On Mon, 15.07.13 14:20, DJ Delorie (dj at redhat.com) wrote:

> > And the outputs of these files are the exact same text streams you are
> > used to. However, enhanced with a lot of niceties that make them more
> > user friendly. For example, you get colors based on the log level, or
> > there's a line drawn between reboots. You get the time zone corrected,
> > and you get unconditional PID data, you can filter very very easy, the
> > data is unfakable and so on.
> 
> So, despite what you just said, the output is *not* the exact same
> text, and thus not a direct replacement for it?

The color stuff is turned off if you pipe things. So it *is* the the
same ouput if you process things with any tool you like...

> /me shudders to think of all the sed/awk/perl scripts you're planning
> on breaking.

They don't break. It's like color ls. Just because you nowadays get
color output on the terminal this doesn't mean it broke all the scripts
that parsed ls output, because "ls" much like journalctl turns off all
fancy shit if you output to a pipe.

> I still vote "no" on dropping a default /var/log/messages.

It's not a democracy btw, it's about convincing FESCO for the change or
against it.

Lennart

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