F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

[Ding Yi Chen]

----- Original Message -----
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 02:46:27PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote:
> > I don't actually care whether there's a binary journal or not, but far
> > more of us have real usecases for /var/log/messages, so we shouldn't
> > give up that being available by default.
> 
> If you use bash or ksh you could just replace /var/log/messages with
> <(journalctl) in your command line and stuff should just work (when
> reading). Other shells can probably do the same. It obviously depends on
> journalctl being able to run.

And you want to do the system wide search and replace all the  3rd party programs,
scripts, and documents that mentioned /var/log/messages?

Even if you do, you cannot change the exist tutorial, blog, and forums that
refer /var/log/messages.

Image the following scenario:
Suppose a Fedora newbie (or linux newbie) encounters a problem,
most of the search results state: Check /var/log/messages

He/She will be very frustrated if he/she cannot find it.

I am not saying that journalctl itself is not a good tool,
in fact, I've played with it, so far it is working.

However, I strongly recommend that we keep the default syslog until journalctl is well
aware and adopted.
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