F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

[Chuck Anderson]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 12:06 PM, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> >On Wednesday 17 July 2013 03:20:42 Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >
> > > As mentioned before, if people run programs that require
> >
> > > /var/log/messages they should simply install rsyslog and be done with
> >
> > > it.
> >
> > >
> >
> >That terribly sounds like "my way or the high way".
> >
> >Many people have raised concerns not only about having /var/log/messages
> >in the base installation but about needing/wanting *simple text* logs by
> >default as well.
> >
> >I for one, advocate against having to use a (forced)tool to read log
> >files.
> So do I.
> 
> IMO, log files need to be readable without any special tools,
> because log files often are being read in cases of
> emergencies/breakdown (occasionally even from other OSes), when one
> can not rely on the tools being available or usable.
> 
> >  Even when you think it's better, many *do not*.
> 
> ACK-
> 
> Ralf

Is there a way to read binary journals from non-Linux OSes?