F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 07/17/2013 02:56 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:52:40PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> On 07/17/2013 12:06 PM, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 17 July 2013 03:20:42 Lennart Poettering wrote:
>>>
>>>> As mentioned before, if people run programs that require
>>>
>>>> /var/log/messages they should simply install rsyslog and be done with
>>>
>>>> it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That terribly sounds like "my way or the high way".
>>>
>>> Many people have raised concerns not only about having /var/log/messages
>>> in the base installation but about needing/wanting *simple text* logs by
>>> default as well.
>>>
>>> I for one, advocate against having to use a (forced)tool to read log
>>> files.
>> So do I.
>>
>> IMO, log files need to be readable without any special tools,
>> because log files often are being read in cases of
>> emergencies/breakdown (occasionally even from other OSes), when one
>> can not rely on the tools being available or usable.
>>
>>>   Even when you think it's better, many *do not*.
>>
>> ACK-
>>
>> Ralf
>
> Is there a way to read binary journals from non-Linux OSes?

No, but there are ways to read Linux logs from other OSes.
Should be sufficient reason not to imitate their flawed design and be 
sufficient reasons to curse binary logs as "broken designs".

Ralf