F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

[Steve Clark]

On 07/17/2013 08:20 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 12:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:21:39AM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>> On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
>>>> You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts
>>>> that monitor /var/log/messages
>>> We honestly cant keep progress and cleanup in the distribution back
>>> out of fear of breaking some third party programs.
>> Irrespective of whether journald is good or bad, this is a dumb
>> argument.
> Dumb I see so you have established a time frame for us how long we
> should  hold back progress  in the project and or you have devised an
> implementation plan on features and cleanups with a rate that a third
> party can keep up with in the distribution, maybe even chosen which
> third parties we wait for and which we dont?
>
> You think it's good for the community to be dependent on third party I
> dont since think we should first and foremost be thinking about
> ourselves and our community not some third party of the interweb or even
> a downstream distribution to us like like RHEL.
>
> We as a community need to be able to set the pace for ourselves and the
> fact is unless you are closed source the best thing you can do as a
> third party is actually participate in the Fedoraproject, packaging you
> software or application stack and ship it within the distribution so
> that our existing processes will catch any fallout which our features or
> cleanups might bring and allow for the community to actually fix it with
> your or for you.
>
> JBG
But it seems the community is only the people driving all these changes, what about the "whole user" community,
not just the developer community


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