RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

Stephen Gallagher sgallagh at redhat.com
Mon Jul 22 16:12:44 UTC 2013


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On 07/22/2013 12:07 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
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> Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:56, Stephen Gallagher a écrit :
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>> On 07/22/2013 11:37 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
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>>> 3. lack of clearly defined LAN infra : Windows comes with AD
>>> and local network sharing, our desktop comes with facebook
>>> clients. Guess which one is actually useful to produce code.
>>> Linux for workgroups is a fantasy
>>> 
>> 
>> I realize I'm pulling apart one specific example, but you DO
>> realize that Fedora comes with FreeIPA, NFSv4 and samba, right?
>> Those three components accomplish most of what you're describing
>> in "AD and local network sharing". Work is being done in both
>> GNOME and KDE right now to provide a better user-experience for
>> enabling those shares, but the capability is there.
> 
> I do realise Fedora includes some technical bricks necessary to
> provide the service. However : 1. nobody knows about them. Startups
> do not have time for investigating desktop capabilities, if it's
> not easy to find, deploy and use it does not exist 2. last I've
> seen, the integration of the server parts was not sufficient and
> required quite a lot of operator work (but it may have changed) 3.
> the server parts are irrelevant if the desktop parts do not use the
> out of the box with minimal operator/user work
> 
> Again, startups do not care about "the best technical infra"
> (Fedora angle) or "the most robust and versatile infra" (RHEL
> angle). They care about "the quickest and easiest way to get devs
> to churn code".
> 

Sure, absolutely. But that was kind of my point above: we have the
tools to do the job and we're just missing some of the user-experience
elements to pull it all together. And as for "nobody knows about
them", that may be the case in the individual end-user case, but for
the mid-level users (those who have tinkered with an "alternative" OS
before), samba and NFS are very well-known, and FreeIPA is making huge
inroads in the small-to-medium business space, especially with its
AD-interoperability capabilities.
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