EPEL (was Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk))

["Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"]

On 07/23/2013 07:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> so you have no plan how large the positive impact is but you
> attack Redhat and employees in a subtle way wherever you can?
>

For the first you do realize that Red Hat is a corporate and my view of 
corporate involvement is the same in open source community is the same 
regardless of what that company is called and as a company they exist to 
make money. Red Hat just approaches open source community with ROI.

Now if I was cabable of being subtle yes then you might claim that I did 
that but since I'm not that argument of yours does not hold water and 
somehow you make the assumption that all Red Hat employees have positive 
impact on the project or in upstream in general even those employees 
that literally walk about and claim that Red Hat owns various upstreams 
I guess you have never met those individuals?

Look at the Gnome desktop team history here [1] within the project or 
for example just recent case [2] where one spends several hours fixing 
outdated and broken spec file submits in good faith trying to help only 
have that work dismissed because the Red Hat maintainer does not "feel" 
like it and wants to replace it with something that violates the 
projects guidelines instead [3][4].

Do you know who approach me and thank me for looking into and help 
fixing this. Obviously it was not Steve, Do you think it was Jeff Layton 
which I do believe is the other NFS maintainer nope not him either it 
was Harald Hoyer, he noticed I was helping out and he approach me and 
thanked me for it.

And if you think about it, how many thanks do you see in general in bug 
reports or in changelog an simple thanks or thank you from Red Hat 
employees to community contributions?

The fact is we live in a rather thankless community and that is 
something we might be better at something that Picard would indeed want 
us to do.

So I dont see how you can somehow make the assumption that all Red Hat 
employees have positive impact on the project.

Many of them do an many of them care but not all of them some are just 
doing this as part of their job.

JBG

1. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2013-June/008096.html
2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=776033
3. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=777401
4. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Systemd