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[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 07/30/2013 05:57 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Fix problems where they are, don't work around them.


I think this is the crux of our disconnect here, Lennart. I appreciate
that your goal is to have a perfect solution in all projects from the
kernel to the cloud. I respect that and laud it.

However, perfect solutions are impractical here. We cannot reasonably
approach a problem that our users are having *right now* by saying
"we'll fix a half-dozen packages (some of them with hostile upstreams)
over the course of the next 18 months". That's unacceptable to our users.

What we need to do is come up with a solution that works *for now*,
ideally with technology that we already have, so that we can get our
users back up and running in an acceptable manner.

I agree that we should be looking at better, more supportable
long-term solutions, but right now this discussion is turning into
worrying about how big a garden to plant in the backyard while the
house is on fire. It is answering some very valid questions while at
the same time completely missing the main points.
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