Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

Stef Walter stefw at
Wed Jun 5 14:55:01 UTC 2013

On 04.06.2013 15:34, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 09:02 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> Hash: SHA1
>> On 06/03/2013 09:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>> We all know what devel@ does best, so let's fire up the power of
>>> the bikeshedding machine :)
>>> We had on the
>>> list of release blocker candidates that we evaluated at the blocker
>>> review meeting this morning. Attendance at blocker reviews is
>>> pretty spotty these days (please, people, come out and feel in a
>>> position of ABSOLUTE POWER), and no-one present felt like they were
>>> a huge expert on typical remote authentication use cases, so we
>>> really didn't feel qualified to make a call on this one.
>>> As things stand, in Fedora 19, it's basically impossible to
>>> configure remote authentication from the install/firstboot process.
>>> If you want to use remote auth, you'd have to create a local user
>>> first and then do it using whatever tools are available. anaconda /
>>> initial-setup has a button for "Use network login..." on its 'user
>>> creation' spoke which ought to be where you configure remote auth,
>>> but right now it does precisely nothing at all.
>>> Whether this is a blocker or not comes down to a judgement call,
>>> because it hinges on whether this is a significant inconvenience
>>> for a large enough number of users. So we need to know from people
>>> who use Fedora in remote auth environments whether it's a big
>>> problem not to be able to set it up at install / firstboot time, or
>>> whether you'd be okay with creating a local user to get through
>>> initial-setup and then configuring remote auth from that local
>>> account.
>> How did that happen? Last I had heard, Anaconda was supposed to be
>> farming out to RealmD to do this. We should have no need to create a
>> local user at all. CCing the RealmD maintainer for comment.
> Realmd is a good tool, but works only with Windows Ad or FreeIPA.
> It is useless to configure against a classic directory and/or Kerberos
> server or NIS or things like that.

Agreed that is the case right now.

But it's a goal to make it grow into those relevant use cases in that
area so that we can have a non-Red-Hat-specific tool and API for
accomplishing these things.

On the other hand neither authconfig or realmd will ever provide all a
GUI for the possible ways (many broken) ways you can possibly configure
network authentication.

> Anaconda used to have authconfig integration, was it yanked on rewrite ?

Anaconda did not have the GTK dialog. firstboot was the one that had it.
And it's really broken for most use cases. It doesn't install necessary
software or anything like that. So one really needs to know ahead of
time all the dependencies of the network authentication you plan to use,
and choose those in the installer.

It was part of the plan to have a GUI for realmd be part of anaconda.
But the merge of the basic anaconda kickstart patches, took so so long
to merge (they've been ready since October) that the GUI bits were not
done in time.

See 'Contingency Plan' here:



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