[Fedora-spins] Where are the remaining F19 spins?

[Bill Nottingham]

(bringing back an old thread)

Dennis Gilmore (dennis at ausil.us) said: 
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> On Sun, 12 May 2013 17:56:20 +0200
> Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Hi,
> > 
> > back in April we discussed the F19 spins and it was widely agreed
> > that http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/19/Spins is the canonical
> > list of approved spins that need to be produced. However this doesn't
> > seem to be the case, I only see the desktop spins. In fact, that is
> > not even true given that I cannot find MATE either.
> > 
> > What does the spins SIG need to do in order to get the remaining
> > spins?
> 
> We have for the last few releases composed the 5 main desktop spins
> Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE and SoaS for Alpha and Beta and in theory
> nightlies have been used for QA. before making the 5 we only made KDE
> and Gnome. QA has not been really happening as is evidenced by spins
> regularly failing to compose, and being shipped DOA, as in the
> design-Suite in F18 and Games being dropped for failing to compose. I
> personally fixed a bunch of spins in F17. 
> 
> For Fedora 19 I'm planning to only compose those 5 for GA also and I
> will only be shipping them if they have been tested and signed off by
> at least 3 people as working.  This is due to Spins having been shipped
> broken in the past. I think we need to stop pretending there is a spins
> SIG as its not been functional or working for a few years. 

Functional or not, has this been widely disseminated?

- Are all the spin maintainers aware?
- Is the websites team that builds and maintains spins.fp.o aware, and
  ready to handle only updating some of the spins listed there?
- Is it in the release notes?
etc.

It's a very large change to drop five deliverables, obviously.

Bill


> 
> Perhaps the question we really need to ask is how should we deploy and
> install Fedora, Which is not something we can change or solve for f19
> or probably even f20.  An idea that comes to mind is to have package
> selections and post install config tasks ship as kickstart snippets
> with the DVD.  we then use grub/syslinux to present a menu to the users
> to have different frameworks that resemble the spins the kickstart is
> fed to anaconda then at boot time or anaconda gives you the option to
> select them. 
> 
> Dennis
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