dnf installs cron.hourly

[Neal Becker]

Daniel P. Berrange wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:07:00PM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 11:58:33 -0400 (EDT)
>> Steve Gordon <sgordon at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange at redhat.com>
>> > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>> > > <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013
>> > > 11:48:41 AM Subject: Re: dnf installs cron.hourly
>> > > 
>> > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:45:03AM -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
>> > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Miloslav Trmač <mitr at volny.cz>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > > > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Daniel P. Berrange
>> > > > > <berrange at redhat.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > Users shouldn't have to go searching out that kind of thing in
>> > > > > > a
>> > > > > > separate package IMHO, it could just be part of stock yum
>> > > > > > install.
>> > > > > > If it needs to be optional a config param would suffice,
>> > > > > > rather than the big hammer of installing/uninstalling extra
>> > > > > > RPM to enable/
>> > > > > > disable a feature.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Yeah, we don't generally do configuration by package
>> > > > > installation/uninstallation.
>> > > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > > More to the point,
>> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Starting_services_by_default
>> > > 
>> > > That's about starting system services by default though, so isn't
>> > > directly relevant to the question of whether cron jobs are allowed
>> > > to be enabled by default. Do we have any package docs about cron
>> > > job enablement ?  I couldn't find any in my search attempts.
>> > > 
>> > > Daniel
>> > 
>> > The list of files sitting in my /etc/cron.*/ directories would
>> > certainly indicate that even if there is such a rule it is being
>> > ignored. Not that I necessarily have a problem with that given the
>> > jobs that are there (mlocate, cups, logrotate, man-db are all
>> > examples I don't remember setting up myself).
>> > 
>> 
>> To be fair - none of those call out to the network.
>> 
>> they all act on things locally.
> 
> Hmm, but the system service guidelines don't say anything about
> forbiding use of networking, only that things should not listen
> on network sockets out of the box. Either way, I think this needs
> to be clarified in the guidelines.
> 
> 
> Daniel

That's why in my OP I said I thought it violated Fedora Practice (or common 
expectations) (not necessarily the letter of the law).

There are certainly some in our populations who do not expect that just cause 
they yum install X, that suddenly it's using their network without warning.