F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

Daniel P. Berrange berrange at redhat.com
Fri May 3 13:54:36 UTC 2013

On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:45:51PM +0000, "J├│hann B. Gu├░mundsson" wrote:
> On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> >----- Original Message -----
> >>FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
> >>things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
> >>MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos
> >>of course, just like anything else, but they are things it makes a deal
> >>of sense to provide for offline users - probably more so than many of
> >>the candidates for removal so far - and there is a substantial PR
> >>benefit to including them.
> >It's good PR to have Mate and Cinnamon, another question is - with
> >Gnome Classic session - wouldn't be better to point our users to it now?
> >
> >But I tend to agree with trend - aim on users with DVDs, developers are
> >usually able to bring stuff for theirs development needs (and there are
> >much more options to select the right set than desktops). So count me
> >+1 to remove it.
> >>To address a couple of other points that have come up: the world
> >>certainly hasn't reached the point where we can target DL DVDs or huge
> >>USB sticks and forget about the SL DVD target, no. We still have
> >>significant usage of the DVD images, ambassadors can confirm this.
> >See my comment - Ambassadors can't confirm that - we do not distribute
> >it any more. One more reason I forgot to mention: it's cheaper to produce
> >more Multi Live DVDs - we get discount based on pieces in batch.
> >
> >Jaroslav
> Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what
> should and should not be on it.
> Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
> netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?

The installation DVDs are widely used in virtualization / cloud
arenas.  eg with OpenStack people would upload the Fedora install
DVD to the image service, so that it is then available to boot
new VM instances.   GNOME Boxes will also let you do automated
installs from the DVD install media.  The Oz tool will build
appliance images using the DVD install media.

While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted
install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or
mirroring a single DVD image is much easier than mirroring
an entire web install tree.

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