[Fedora-spins] Where are the remaining F19 spins?

John.Florian at dart.biz John.Florian at dart.biz
Mon May 13 18:26:40 UTC 2013

> From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin at scrye.com>
> To: devel at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Date: 05/13/2013 13:51
> Subject: Re: [Fedora-spins] Where are the remaining F19 spins?
> Sent by: devel-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 13:24:26 -0400
> John.Florian at dart.biz wrote:
> > > From: Dennis Gilmore <dennis at ausil.us>
> > > Perhaps the question we really need to ask is how should we deploy
> > > and install Fedora, Which is not something we can change or solve
> > > for f19 or probably even f20.  An idea that comes to mind is to
> > > have package selections and post install config tasks ship as
> > > kickstart snippets with the DVD.  we then use grub/syslinux to
> > > present a menu to the users to have different frameworks that
> > > resemble the spins the kickstart is fed to anaconda then at boot
> > > time or anaconda gives you the option to select them. 
> > 
> > I think the Fedora Formulas that Kevin proposed are the ideal
> > replacement for spins.
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_formulas
> Sadly, I don't think so. 
> They are cool and useful and worth persuing (If I can find some time
> to), but I don't think they can completely replace spins. 
> Some uses of spins that don't map well to formulas: 
> * Security lab spin being used to examine compromised images. You want
>   your thing to be a read only medium. 
> * Desktops browsing. You may well want to boot the LXDE spin and play
>   around with it and decide it's not for you and move on without
>   installing anything. Of course you could install, test and remove,
>   but some people prefer to decide up front. 
> * Base thing to run formulas on. You need some desktop/install/media
>   whatever to run the formulas on, so you always need some way to do
>   that initial install. 
> * Taking a live image and booting 20 lab machines so you can run a
>   class, then shut down and no changes were made to the machines. 
> (There's probibly others). 
> kevin

Those are good counter-examples, especially the first.  The others though 
leave me less convinced given what I've been doing here for the last few 
years which is to take a customized Fedora Live spin with stateless Linux 
features enabled, plus puppet (considering switching to ansible), plus a 
little glue to make custom appliances where networked resources dictate 
the various roles those appliances play ranging from kiosks to firewalls.

John Florian
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