Fedora Hosted Usability and Developer Experience
mhroncok at redhat.com
Fri May 31 21:19:50 UTC 2013
few days ago I was explaining to someone*, what the Developer Assistant
When I said something like: "...and you project is exported directly to
GitHub  if you want", the person I was talking to interrupted me and
asked an interesting question:
Why our own tools prefer a proprietary service, such as GitHub, over our
own infrastructure (Fedora Hosted.org)?
The answer is very easy: Because developers prefer GitHub over Fedora
Hosted and we want to target on the majority.
That leads us to other question: Why do developers prefer GitHub over
Of course not each developer uses Fedora etc., but even many of our own
projects are usually hosted on GitHub or Bitbucket - see Developer
Assistant itself or Yumex as an example. Try to search Fedora on GitHub .
But other reason is, Fedora Hosted user/developer experience is way
worse than GitHub's. Even for a registration or a small change you need
to create a ticket, there is no interface for pull requests or similar
things (or not that I am aware of). Browsing the projects (user
I would like to change that and make Fedora Hosted infrastructure
something, that can compete GitHub. Or at least provide a service that
developers using Fedora would consider as a choice.
What about running something as GitLab  or Gitorious  on Fedora
Hosted, add continuous integration for creating repos with nightly RPMs,
integrate it with FAS, brand it with Fedora graphics, add more stuff and
make it cool. Simply provide a truly open alternative for developers
that not only develop free software, but also are interested in freedom
Than we can provide our own service, that our tools can integrate with
as default. I don't except developers will leave GitHub and move to
Fedora Hosted, so there is nothing wrong on supporting GitHub in our
tools. But wouldn't it make more sense to promote our own services at
the first place? Why support a company that makes profit and is not
related to Fedora at all?
Of course you can argue that Fedora's main goal is not to provide free
software hosting service, but then why we offer Fedora Hosted in the
first place, right?
* I haven't got time to ask for permission to publicly quote this person
about this on the list, but if you are the person and want the
attribution, feel free to say it :)
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