Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

Reindl Harald h.reindl at thelounge.net
Mon Nov 4 23:05:02 UTC 2013

Am 04.11.2013 23:50, schrieb Michael Scherer:
> Le lundi 04 novembre 2013 à 21:02 +0100, Reindl Harald a écrit :
>> Am 04.11.2013 20:56, schrieb drago01:
>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
>>>> that's all true but you can be pretty sure if a "app-store" with
>>>> bundeled applications exists *nobody* would package and maintain
>>>> them as RPM -> everybody would point with his finger to the app
>>> No because RPM packages apps *do* have benifits .. otherwise we
>>> wouldn't have this discussion.
>>>> if it goes in that direction, and it starts faster than anybody likes
>>>> you do a dramatical harm to the userbase which likes the consistent
>>>> package managment and *really used* conecpt of shared libraries
>>> Again those are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. You can have sandboxed *and*
>>> rpm packaged apps at the same time.
>> the most imporant word in your answer is *CAN*
>> but you will not, nobody will package whatever application
>> as RPM if he is fine with the app-store, so you *could*
>> have both but i doubt at the end of the day it will happen
> If no one think that using a rpm is bringing any value, then indeed, no
> one will do the job. Now, if someone think this is better for whatever
> reasons, then this someone will do the job. 
> It seems that your fear is that if people are not forced to make rpm,
> they will not see the value of doing so, and so would not do it. 
> So if that's the problem, then the solution is to demonstrate the value
> of packaging and rpm rather than restricting all others alternatives. 

and that is why the Linux kernel is that successful

there is one person which makes decisions and proves that this is
possible, widely accepted and works over many years, hence this
works longer than Fedora even exists

the real problem Fedora has that there is nobody with the power to make
finally decisions and in doubt everybody can do anything and until the
damage is not done things which are not broken are happily fixed

too often changes are done on parts where a lot of people are happy
that they slowly start to stabilize themself, things are changed for
the sake of the change because often people appear to be bored that
things are just working instead look glad on that

honestly, the "Fedora Core" days was better looking forward to 10, 20 years
because there was a clean distinction between "Redhat" and "fedora-extras"
where it was pretty easy to keep one eye more what is coming from the extras
repo - *no i do not say* that the package from "extras" was bad, i only say
that they from "core" where always safer because their intention was base of
the next enterprise-distribution

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