[Fedora Base Design WG] Committee FESCO approved, next steps

Phil Knirsch pknirsch at redhat.com
Wed Nov 6 16:09:33 UTC 2013

On 11/06/2013 04:46 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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> On 11/06/2013 09:57 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 15:38:10 +0100, Phil Knirsch
>> <pknirsch at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> But i do like the idea of well "Overlap" releases? Where most of
>>> the release would stay stable in a sense of API/ABI and we could
>>> still bring out a newer release.
>> Since we have a system where multiple kernel types can be
>> installed, maybe we could use that to have a latest stable kernel
>> package and a latest long term support kernel package. This will
>> take more kernel team resources and may have some issues if the
>> graphics drivers devs want to take advantage of a new feature that
>> isn't going to be back ported to stable.
> Alternately, maybe this is one of the cases where we leave it to
> RHEL/CentOS to cover. For really long-term kernel support, those
> groups are much better equipped to resource it than the Fedora kernel
> team.

Hm, so would the Fedora Server products base their releases then on 
CentOS instead? Otherwise, if due to resource constraints the Base 
products can't have a longer life cycle then say, 1 year or so, how 
would the Server products from Fedora be able to provide longer 
lifecycles on top of that? Would they support the Base they are using 
themselves? Who would do that?

As at the end of the day, as Bruno already mentioned in his answer, # of 
releases per year and lifetime of one product don't scale well. They 
actually scale quadratic, which is even worse. So we'll have to find 
some common ground and ideas on how we can manage to support both fast 
moving products e.g. like Cloud or potentially Workstation vs. slower 
moving and longer living ones like i expect Server.

And don't take this as an attack please, i just want to ensure everyone 
is on the same page regarding our finite resources and how we can most 
efficiently use them and find a solution that will work for all involved 
WGs and products.

Thanks & regards, Phil

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