F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

Reindl Harald h.reindl at thelounge.net
Thu Nov 21 09:34:08 UTC 2013

Am 20.11.2013 20:56, schrieb Aleksandar Kurtakov:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Toshio Kuratomi" <a.badger at gmail.com>
>> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel at lists.fedoraproject.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:23:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 08:13:02PM +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
>>> We were speaking about giving more power to SIGs related to
>>> discussion about Fedora.next. This can be a good start. Stano and
>>> Aleksandar are working on Java maintenance a lot, Java SIG members
>>> are speaking together, so I have a confidence in their actions.
>> This is a tangent but -- some people have been talking about giving more
>> power to SIGs but at the last env and stacks meeting we sorta settled on
>> more power to SIGs in an experimental, anything-goes repo.  We're not
>> tlaking about that here.
> I have no idea what was discussed at these meetings but the thing is if 
> such thing would happen it would only happen if we do it - history has 
> proved that changes don't happen magically by themself. If one is forced 
> to do something he doesn't think is the correct he would not do it and 
> if the Java SIG doesn't step in to drive this change we all lose

why does everyting in Fedora feels that complicated and needs "big features"
hence throw the "feature" in the basket, split java in 3 packages

* java
* java-headless
* java-x11

and you are done without waste anybodys time, *nobody* will lose and
sooner or later packages which are running headless on servers may or
may not be changed to depend only on "java-headless"

for me sometimes it feels like people forcing big features and changes
involving a lot of people to get more noticed and important instead
think about how can things be optimized with no feelable impact and
demanding anybody to take actions

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