F21 System Wide Change: Headless Java

Miloslav Trma─Ź mitr at volny.cz
Thu Nov 21 12:48:51 UTC 2013

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov
<akurtako at redhat.com> wrote:
> I agree with you that the current Features/Changes system is useless as is now. It was supposed to be a way to collect information for Release notes nothing more AFAIK.

>From the FESCo side, IMHO "collecting information for Release Notes"
was fairly useless; the current system allows every affected
maintainer to be aware of changes and raise concerns, and this has led
several times to significantly altering the proposal for the better.

> Discussions, decisions, changes and so on happen in whatever way the parties doing the work think is better for them.

The "parties doing the work" proposed to:
> (optional) Mass-change spec files that have "Requires: java" to "Requires: java-headless"
I.e. mass-break non-headless packages, and to ask "Other developers"
to clean up after the Change owners breaking their packages.  That's
may actually be the right thing to do (I'm uncertain), but at the very
least the affected maintainers should have an opportunity to speak up
whether they are willing to do it or not, and that's the reason the
Change process is imposing a public discussion.

In the thread you and others have suggested that there in fact there
are no or few "Other developers", and this is all a Java SIG internal
thing; I don't know whether it's true (and I don't currently care to
collect the data); the proposal certainly hasn't been written that

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