hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

Clive Hills discordianuk at gmail.com
Sun Sep 22 16:16:17 UTC 2013


Err aren't these *fedora* lists. We show the grub menu.
*plonk*
Clive


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>wrote:

>
>
> Am 22.09.2013 18:00, schrieb drago01:
> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
> wrote:
> >> Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01:
> >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net>
> wrote:
> >>>> Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko:
> >>>>> On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >>>>>> Ed Greshko wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days.
> >>>>>>>> In fact since "yum update" installed
> kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686,
> >>>>>>>> though that is probably a coincidence.
> >>>>>>> Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if
> it is a
> >>>>>>> coincidence?
> >>>>>> I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that.
> >>>>>> I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3
> kernels?
> >>>>
> >>>> and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB
> menu as default
> >>>
> >>> Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19?
> >>
> >> no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my
> machines
> >
> > You seem to care enough to write mails about it.
>
> yes, becuase i am not that asshole some think and care about others
> i wish the future users have the same chance to learn things as i had
> in the past
>
> >>> If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown
> >>> people will not automatically know what the options there mean.
> >>
> >> no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand
> >> hide it does not make this better
> >
> > Showing an option that people do not understand does not solve anything.
>
> then *explain* the menu instead hide it
>
> >>> So can you stop "crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by)
> >>> default" now?
> >>
> >> no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a
> >> already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they
> >> never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel
> >> by hide it
> >
> > You should not have to learn what a kernel is to be able to use your
> computer
>
> this makes no sense
>
> why do you have to learn it?
> because there is a menu giving you options?
>
> does this menu *force* someobody to learn?
> how would it be able to demand anything from a user?
>
> > I am pretty sure you disagree here but we should just agree to
> > disagree instead of having a useless "discussion".
>
> if Fedora Core would have had the same attitude than today i would
> never have switched to Linux completly - this boot option where
> people say nobody needs to see it saved my first machine and a lot
> of time for me because it did not boot after a kernel update and
> so i took the only working thing: a menu at begin
>
> i agree in a perfect world you would not need it
> but this perfect world doe snot exist
>
> but you are not in the position than *anybody* else to guarantee
> that a kernel update will never have regresions, not now and not
> in the future
>
> >> if the affected machine is their only one they also have
> >> no chance to ask for help and are lost
> >>
> >> P.S.:
> >> do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension
> >> is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension!
> >
> > OT but no. If an update introduces broken deps it should not be pushed
> > until they are resolved.
> > Giving negative karma here is common practice
>
> not common, bad practice at least in that case
>
>
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