hidden GRUB menu -> Re: Suspension problem last 2 days

drago01 drago01 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 22 22:03:32 UTC 2013

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:28 PM, David <dgboles at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/22/2013 5:11 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
>> On 22.09.2013 18:34, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> Am 22.09.2013 18:30, schrieb Jan Kratochvil:
>>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:24:45 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>>>> Am 22.09.2013 18:13, schrieb Jan Kratochvil:
>>>>>> My grandfather still believes those are multiple _different_ Fedora
>>>>>> installations, each having different games/files.  As he has also CentOS menu
>>>>>> item there having multiple Fedora items is just too much for him.
>>>>> explain it to him
>>>> I have tried many times for many years but he still insists on it.
>>>>> * because i saw the menu from the very first beginning
>>>>> * because doing nothing the next boot-step after that menu failed
>>>>> * so what did i: look waht happens if i chosse something other from the menu
>>>> There is never a perfect solution, everything has its pros and cons.
>>> yes and the chance having a unbootable system has more cons
>>>> So it could wait for 5 secs, just displaying a message "Hit SHIFT to display
>>>> a boot menu.".  That hopefully should not confuse users while it would still
>>>> help you to solve your problem
>>> place a descriptive text *above* the menu and display it as default would
>>> be the best one, but i guess pragmatic solutions edcuating users are not
>>> the ones developers these days perfer
>>> wondering from which tress in 10 years the advanced users will fall if
>>> all advanced options are more and more hidden beause the could confuse
>>> somebody............
>> Oh, come on. Not all advanced options need to be presented to anybody at
>> any time. You, as advanced user, don't need all of this "advanced"
>> features every time you use your system. Going back to boot menu - how
>> many of your reboots are not successful so you need to choose different
>> kernel or specify different options? Regular Linux user expect to boot
>> system successfully every time and if it's impossible it means distro
>> devels screwed up releasing untested package. It's good to have all that
>> options around but presenting them to user just in case he might want to
>> do something more advanced once a year is simply wrong.
>> To educate new Linux/Fedora users, it's better to write some good
>> documentation or produce high quality podcast than showing them all that
>> meaningless options.
>> Mateusz Marzantowicz
> Excuse me sir. You completely missed the point here.

No he didn't.

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