F21 System Wide Change: Smaller Cloud Image Footprint

Miloslav Trmač mitr at volny.cz
Thu Apr 17 20:30:48 UTC 2014

2014-04-17 22:27 GMT+02:00 Miloslav Trmač <mitr at volny.cz>:

> 2014-04-17 21:54 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller <mattdm at fedoraproject.org>:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 09:47:21PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
>> > > (NetworkManager and initscripts) and one that's available but not
>> used by
>> > > default anywhere (systemd-networkd). This would simply swap the
>> status of
>> > > systemd-networkd and initscripts.
>> > Is NetworkManager already at the *100% complete* feature parity that
>> would
>> > make this possible?  (Keeping in mind that "possible" and "a good idea"
>> are
>> > still not the same...)
>> I don't think I accept your premise here. 100% (possibly spread between
>> networkd and NetworkManager) would be necessary for dropping initscripts
>> completely, but that's not being proposed.
> You were arguing that we would be going from 2 used + 1 unused systems to
> a different set of 2 used + 1 unused; for that to happen, users of
> initscripts must have somewhere to migrate to.

Writing too fast... you were actually arguing for a situation "2 used by
default + 1 used but not used by default" I think.  In that case your
argument is right but it's my turn to not accept your premise :)  networkd
was introduced in systemd-209, and F20 ships with -208,  I.e. it has never
shipped in a Fedora release, so it is not "1 used but not used by default";
it's entirely new to Fedora *in F21*.
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