systemd dependencies

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 26.8.2014 18:43, Lennart Poettering napsal(a):
> On Tue, 26.08.14 14:55, Vít Ondruch (vondruch at redhat.com) wrote:
>
>>>>>> Just to be clear, systemd-libs is in minimal build root already, so I am
>>>>>> not complaining about systemd-libs package, but about systemd package.
>>>>> What's the rationale here? I mean, we have so many dependencies, if you
>>>>> want to minimize them, you have a loooong way to go...
>>>> Someone has to start somewhere. It is annoying to install several
>>>> packages, when you expect that only one should be installed. And by
>>>> coincidence, I met several of systemd dependencies during short period
>>>> of time.
>>> What I am not getting: what's the point? I mean, systemd is not exactly
>>> an optional package in Fedora.
>>>
>>> You are asking people to split their packages in two, but what's the
>>> real reason for that? If the systemd package isn't optional anyway, why
>>> is this the dep you start with and asking people to complicate things
>>> for?
>> Isn't it optional? I am using mock and can build probably every ruby
>> package without *systemd* package installed into the build root (I am
>> not speaking about *systemd-libs*). But once I install one of man,
>> subversion or rsync packages, systemd is suddenly pulled in, why? Why it
>> should be?
> I am not doubting that one can minimize things, and that currently
> systemd ends up being into the build-root quite often. I am just
> wondering what the big deal is.
>
> I mean, if it is really the goal of Fedora to minimize deps, and split
> everything up like Debian is doing it (where for example every single
> library .so must be a .deb of its own), then that's OK, but so far
> that's not how Fedora has been doing things. And I am pretty sure if you
> want to change that, that you then should go through FESCO first...
>
> Honestly, I kinda like the pragmatism on Fedora, so far, that there's
> no need to split up packages into a myriad of mini packges. And I
> think that texlive packaging is an absolute disaster, where things are
> split up to the maximum possible (> 20% of the packages I have on my
> machine now are texlive packages, just because i use latex beamer from
> time to time...)
>
> Of course, this kind of pragmatism makes bootstrapping fedora on some
> new arch harder, but then again, it conceptually is much easer to grok
> for admins what packages do what if there are fewer...
>
> Lennart
>

Actually I agree with you on the pragmatism. That is why I started this
thread with "Please consider moving daemon parts into independent
subpackages". This also implies that you should think about dependencies
and if somebody raises hand, you should be open to
discussion/reconsideration.

And no, this is not just about systemd, the unnecessary dependencies
creeps in also in other libraries. openal-soft is similar example from
another bucket which pulls in Qt [1] (and this ticket was promptly
resolved, thanks).


Vít


[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1134065