fakesystemd package breaking builds

[Miloslav Trmač]

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> On St 27. srpen 2014, 20:47:33 CEST, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Wed, 27.08.14 20:35, Václav Pavlín (vpavlin at redhat.com) wrote:
> > I am not on the base WG. I was not selected for it. If you come up with
> > schemes like this, it is really a good idea to actually ask the people
> > who work on the package you are trying to work on or work around...
> Well you was very helpful on last meeting and I guess you'll be invited
> to the next one as systemd should be on the plate again.

Hum, “invited”?  The original intent was that the places on the WG are _voting_ places, not “allowed participation” places; i.e. that anyone not only can, but is very welcome to, join, participate in the discussions and the implementation.  (And presumably that good ideas from non-voting members wouldn’t be gratuitously rejected.)

If the general perception is that one has to be “invited” into the WGs, that would explain why we ended up with several WGs that are often not much bigger than the 9 voting places, and it would be something we should urgently fix (or if Base wants to use that model, something we would want to certainly urgently fix for Server).

> > But regarding kmod/devicemapper, can we please get some stats about how
> > big this individually are, and how much is saved by this? kmod at least
> > is 150K or so only. Is there really any value in doing this weird stuff
> > for a fricking 150K?! Fedora has no bigger fishes to fry?
> I'll prepare stats for you tomorrow.

For context, there are also efforts like https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/411 .  I do not really understand how the tradeoff can be tiled so far in favor of saving space, but it is something that has been happening for some time now.
    Mirek