How many users does Fedora have?

Peter Hutterer peter.hutterer at who-t.net
Mon Dec 1 23:35:32 UTC 2014


On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:57:47PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> > 
> > Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas:
> > >On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas:
> > >
> > >>>Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the usage from a download
> > >>>counter or so. Can we have something similar?
> > >>
> > >>no - you have no clue which mirror was used without explicit tracking in
> > >>YUM/DNF and given the noise about the recent Firefox changes you won't
> > >>even consider seriously tracking inside the distribution
> > >>
> > >>additionally downloads are meaningless - many setups with more than one
> > >>machine have their local mirrors and a download can be 1, 10 or 50
> > >>installed instances
> > >
> > >I hesitated when writing my initial message, didn't include this:
> > >
> > >Feedback why this is impossible isn't really helpful here, most of us
> > >are aware of the limitations. Given that we agree on the overall goals
> > >(?), useful input is what can be done, and how
> > 
> > it is helpful because the fact it is impossible will shutdown that
> > discussion because - well, it's impossible
> 
> The question becomes, is any numbers better than no number?
> 
> In theory, we could get an idea of how much a package is downloaded. Mirror are
> syncing all the content, so they introduce a baseline while user is what
> introduce the variability.
> So if we were to be able to gather logs from a) the main repos + b) some
> volunteer repos, we could get a trend.
> The number would of course not be exact as you mentioned but we could get an
> idea, something like: we have 132 mirrors and my package was downloaded 133
> times, which potentially means there is one user (me) using that package.
> There might be more, but if no-one ever reports a bug and we see the number of
> download is basically equal to the number of mirrors, we can get an impression
> that this package isn't used by many people.
> 
> So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number at all?
> Even to get a trend?

it's the wrong question, because there is no one single answer. It depends
on what you want to _do_ with that number. Then you can decide how much
error is acceptable and work from there.

Cheers,
   Peter


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