"Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

Stephen John Smoogen smooge at gmail.com
Mon Dec 8 23:31:35 UTC 2014

On 8 December 2014 at 16:17, Mike Pinkerton <pselists at mindspring.com> wrote:

>  We could have decided to double-down on growing that enthusiast
>> segment, but, first, that's not what the people who showed up to do the
>> work decided; and second, I actually think we continue to serve the
>> hackers and tinkerers very nicely with the spins and nonproduct option.
>> What we're not doing is expanding
> I'm not suggesting that Fedora not expand into a new market segment.  I'm
> simply suggesting that you not abandon existing users in order to do so.
That works in a standard commercial environment where you are able to get
the original users to 'give payment' which helps continual funding that
work. However in a volunteer organization.. if people don't do the work,
then it isn't going to get done. And there is always a lot of work in
keeping something going from release to release.

>  I also think you're also kind of setting up an argument against
>> something no-one is for. "Secure by default" is a not a well-defined
>> term,
> I can't quite parse that, but I think you are intentionally
> misunderstanding what I wrote.  "Secure by default" might not be a detailed
> specification, but it is certainly understood as a general user
> expectation, one that I think Fedora has heretofore generally met.
No, even in the security community.. it has no single idea. I have spent
more time getting multiple teams to define each's version of "secure by
default" so that they quit arguing that the other guys aren't that way.. I
don't agree with how the firewall is setup on workstation, but I have seen
multiple definitions that match "secure by default" that it still meets.

Stephen J Smoogen.
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